Post details: Gents, something in your pocket kills trees - and it's not a copper nail.


Gents, something in your pocket kills trees - and it's not a copper nail.
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The Ranger has been involved in many neighbour disputes over trees and hedges. Trees and hedges are usually on boundaries, you see, and so that's where the trouble starts. It's very easy to underestimate the fury, rage and pain that courses through such seemingly storm-in-teacup matters. On at least two occasions in recent times people have died over these disputes, one of these being shot by his neighbour. So, not trifling matters.

What the protagonists almost invariably fail to recognise when they come to the Ranger for some assistance is that the authorites will rarely take one side, or the other - in fact, they are more interested in the tree itself, because it is the tree which has amenity for the rest of us. What is one person's nuisance is a beautiful addition to the landscape for many others. So, in many cases, the Ranger finds himself defending not the harassed householder, nor the hysterical neighbour, but the trees.

Copper nails

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How many times has the Ranger heard this one? 'Dear Ranger, how do I kill my neighbour's nasty tree? I've tried copper nails and it dosn't work'. So regularly the old 'copper nail' story is trotted out. No doubt there are innumerable midnight expeditions by surreptitious neighbours silently tapping copper into the trunk of the hated specimen - indeed, the Ranger has actually found these nails in disputed trees. Healthy, vigorous trees. Yes, friends, let an old Ranger reveal a terrible truth - copper nails do not kill trees. Where this story originated is a mystery, but practical experience demonstrates that the supposed 'magic bullet' solution is simply false. Driving a copper nail into a tree does nothing. You might kill a tree if you bought enough copper nails to make a pile big enough to hide the tree, but short of that you're wasting your time. And where do you get copper nails from anyway? Is this whole thing promoted by the Copper Nail Retailers Association? Perhaps they don't have any other use for their product.

A topical tale from Berlin, where the World Cup fans are filling the city, and the urinals, suggests a more enlightened alternative. It seems that all those fans peeing in the bushes are killing the bushes. We are wasting our time buying all these copper nails. Let's just hold a big party, with lots of free beer, and no toilets. Then, even if the trees survive, the neighbours might just have chilled out enough to all be friends again.

Oh, and if you came to this page wondering how to kill a tree with copper nails, or even how to kill trees without them (yes, there is a way, and it's even easier than copper nails) - sorry, that's another story. You probably won't be too surprised to hear that the Ranger won't be telling it to you.

24 comments so far, see them and add yours here!

Posted on 25th June 2006 at 12 52 pm
by The Virtual Ranger
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Comment from: Kenny
You are taking the p*** out of us with this, aren't you ?? I mean, do we have a copper bottomed promise that your story about the nails is true ?
PermalinkPermalink 30/06/06 @ 20:30

 

Comment from: The Virtual Ranger [Admin] Email · http://naturenet.net
What my bottom is made of, young Kenny, is a secret known only to myself, my aged mother, and one C@. But, sure, I'll give you my solomn promise that everything I ever write is true, except this comment, which is entirely false. ;)
PermalinkPermalink 30/06/06 @ 22:15

 

Comment from: Whirdly
copper nails don't kill trees, people kill trees
PermalinkPermalink 06/07/06 @ 14:26

 

Comment from: Schiller Thurkettle
Dear Ranger,

If you won't reveal the secret on your blog, please email me with the tree-killing method. I live in a wooded area and we have a serious infestation of Chinese Elm (Ulmus parviflora), which is considered to be an invasive species. And rightly so.

I need a cheap, effective method of killing these trees in place. I could use the large ones for firewood, and it would be nice to have them standing dry.

Regardless, I need to kill hundreds, probably closer to about a thousand of these things.

The Department of Natural Resources recommends a combination of girdling and herbicide. I wasted an entire week on this method three years ago, and the trees don't seem to have even noticed. And there's more of them now.

Help!
PermalinkPermalink 04/09/06 @ 01:01

 

Comment from: The Virtual Ranger [Admin] Email · http://naturenet.net
Sorry, not telling. That's not my job - I encourage trees. There are enough people on the other side without me joining in. Nice try though!
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Comment from: Schiller Thurkettle
Ranger,

I highly resent the implication of your "nice try" remark. I am not an urban troublemaker.

Invasive species are incredibly damaging to ecosystems, and your dismissive attitude--that you simply "encourage trees"--ignores the magnitude of this serious threat to biodiversity.
PermalinkPermalink 07/09/06 @ 23:00

 

Comment from: The Virtual Ranger [Admin] Email · http://naturenet.net
Hey, be cool, Schiller. If you read some other articles on this blog you'll see The Ranger's strong views on invasive species. But you'd be amazed how many people arrive at this blog with the search string "how to kill trees". Whilst your case may be very worthy The Ranger has no intention of publicising any method of doing so. By the way, the method I had in mind is unlikely to be much use on the scale you are talking about - that's more like a forestry operation than a neighbour dispute.
PermalinkPermalink 08/09/06 @ 09:00

 

Comment from: LittleBlue
Something in a gents pocket... I'm sure you set this title just to tease us into trying to guess what it is! well I know a friend peeing on my Clematis did it no good! That is my best guess!
PermalinkPermalink 08/09/06 @ 22:41

 

Comment from: The Virtual Ranger [Admin] Email · http://naturenet.net
Not a bad guess... but then there was a clue in the article about that particular 'treatment'!
PermalinkPermalink 12/09/06 @ 22:28

 

Comment from: malcolm Email
I had to look at this and it reminded me of something I was told in my much younger days when I followed the path of revolving metal at high speed and creating wondrous objects that sometimes fitted together.

A lecturer at the technical college, yes remember those, regaled us with a story about a paper he claimed he had written about the disastrous effect of dogs urine on brass fire hydrants, he claimed that it was very corrosive and had led to failure of the hydrants. His only problem was for a joke he had put the author down as a Dr Urino Thebrass. Never did find out if it was true but it sounds good.
PermalinkPermalink 07/01/07 @ 08:18

 

Comment from: Ranger want-a-be Email
Very humorous blob -- I can talk until I'm blue in my face about this old myth to a co-worker and he will ever believe that the copper nail trick doesn't work!!! Now I can win my bet with him by printing out your beautiful work!! ;(
PermalinkPermalink 01/02/07 @ 20:35

 

Comment from: anonymoustroll Email
If you want to kill you're neighbor's tree, just "girdle" it. I've seen many dead trees on the fringes of clear cuts in Oregon that were killed by girdling (loggers anchor "choker" cables used to set up retrieval towers, free stuck equipment, etc). The process involves using a strong cable tightened around the tree that cuts 360 degrees into the inner/outer bark, cambium and sapwood layers (basically all the way through to the heartwood). Once this happens, the tree will no longer be able to get water to the leaves. If you do this just before summer starts in earnest, the tree will die.

...but beware: if you neighbor refuses to chop the tree down, you've just lowered both your property values and you have the added benefit of a fire hazard in addition to a ideal new home for large insects populations.

Personally... I can't think of *ANY* good reason to kill a residential tree (regardless of who's lawn it's actually in)

The Ranger responds: it's a pretty good method but not foolproof. I've seen trees ringbarked like that bridge a 10cm gap to repair themselves over a couple of years or so. That's unusual, to be sure, but it can happen. Sycamores are particularly hardy, but I've also seen a similar thing on young oak.
PermalinkPermalink 28/04/07 @ 16:33

 

Comment from: Deedee Email
He He a lot of funny comments here.
If you really would like to kill a tree, just chop it down.
But yeah if you urinate enough on your treeroots it probably would kill it. UREA can also be used as a fertilizer and mixed with water it has a low pH. Overfertilizing any plant would kill it.
So guys drink beer and go out and have a jolly good piss. (Urea = Diaminomethanal)
PermalinkPermalink 24/05/07 @ 22:18

 

Comment from: Wedge Email
I have searched high and low for an answer to this question. I am a new homeowner and I have an oak tree planted by the previous owner on the front lawn. I recently had the property marked for gas/hydro/water etc... My concern (before calling in an arborist) is this: the trunk of the oak tree is within roughly 12" of the marking. Is it safe growing where it is now? Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you. [I arrived at this site because I was wondering why people would want to use a copper nail to kill a tree]

The Ranger responds: if you mean you're going to dig a trench 12" from an existing tree, than that's probably a bad idea. If you mean that the service ducts are already there and you're not planning any further excavations, you're probably OK to leave well alone for now. But either way get the advice of an arboriculturalist (that's an arborist to you) anyway - it's usually money well spent in such circumstances.
PermalinkPermalink 03/06/07 @ 01:29

 

Comment from: Wedge Email
Hi Ranger, thank-you. No trenching, the services are pre-existing. I am just worried that as the tree grows the roots may rupture the mains. (I still want a house to come back to and a tree to enjoy :) ).Thank-you also for supplying me with the correct term for an "arborist". I will now look for an arboriculturalist now for advice and service.
The Ranger responds: happy to help. If your pipes are not leaking and your tree is healthy it's unlikely that the tree will affect them for many years. And don't worry, you were right first time as 'arborist' is correct too, in American English. Enjoy your tree!
PermalinkPermalink 05/06/07 @ 02:21

 

Comment from: Chris Kershaw Email
I have never heard of a tree being killed by copper nails, but I have heard of one being killed by the superstitious practice of embedding copper coins into the bark for 'luck'.
Obviously, this method probably took many hundreds of coins, perhaps thousands and wouldn't be economically viable for getting rid of a thousand chinese elms! I do work in conservation based forestry and killing off that many trees is definitely a professional job.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/07 @ 16:55

 

Comment from: jim Email
copper nails work a treat. it is slow but works. its not the copper that does it but the chemical it is involved in creating
PermalinkPermalink 24/09/07 @ 10:56

 

Comment from: spot
I just bought a house...a real nice one. The neibhour has trees right on the property line (which is stupid). One is a tall bush that greww to about 50 feet. There is one also on my property that seems attached by the roots to the neigbors. I love trees, but that one has to go. It is crocked and the previous owner has already cut some branches and it is just out of place. The neigbor has also planted more right on the line, but has complained about the triming of the other older trees from my side of the fence. I have asked him to replant them (5 stolen trees from the woods) at least 4 foot from the property line but he is being a real jerk. His house is also old and ugly. So I will trim the branches that go on my property and bring bugs (caterpilars...I know where to find them) that will eat his trees.
PermalinkPermalink 02/10/07 @ 21:37

 

Comment from: debbie Email
I don't want to kill the trees, but....I have 2 30 yr old maple trees that the roots have invaded my foundation. Roots bigger than your leg were dug out and pillars installed to stablize the walls. The I-beams had to be adligned due to the roots. Now the true dilemma, I live in a free standing condo and the Home Owners Association "owns" the trees and they refuse to remove them. Plus, my yard is bare soil due to the roots being ontop on the soil. No Grass !! If anyone needed help (other than hiring an Attorney), it's me. Can you give me some advice concerning the trees? Thank you !!!
PermalinkPermalink 02/11/07 @ 23:01

 

Comment from: ian Email
copper nails do kill trees but you need a fair few of them. Also you an buy them from any DIY store such as B&Q. Ranger is just trying to fob you off so you dont try it.
PermalinkPermalink 03/03/08 @ 22:16

 

Comment from: Ian Jackson Email
Sometimes big old oak trees can be a worry. In the storms the uk have had would you want a big oak tree in your bedroom. That is why some have got to go THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS and property destroying if near to a house

The Ranger responds: or if you put your house too near to a tree...
PermalinkPermalink 10/03/08 @ 15:10

 

Comment from: Juliet Pratt Email
Like you, I love trees. My neighbour has a lovely mature flowering cherry, a stunning laburnum several rose bushes and assorted shrubs in his front hedge. The previous owner, something of an idiot, planted one of the dreaded leylandii in the middle and this has taken over. The other species are being smoothered. The house is currently let and neither the landlord nor the tenant will do anything. I hate to admit this to you, but I would like to kill the leylandii! The wretched thing seems to be growing, upwards and outwards, by the day. What can I do?

The Ranger responds: Well, you can't take action directly as that would be illegal. Really, there's no legal way to force a landowner to manage land or trees if they don't want to, so your best bet is to work on the landlord. Unless you feel daring, in which case just go and cut the thing down, then face the consequences - or actually, if you're going to do that, why not try this: I've been involved in this kind of neighbour dispute before and found that a friendly and non-threatening offer to pay for and arrange the work is often all that's necessary in even the most recalcitrant cases - you'd be surprised how that can change people's minds, and it might be only a relatively cheap job.
PermalinkPermalink 11/04/08 @ 10:52

 

Comment from: Juliet Pratt Email
Many thanks. I think your suggestion is very sensible and I'll give it a go.
PermalinkPermalink 11/04/08 @ 17:45

 

Comment from: gillian woodward Email
I have been reading about problem trees on many sites, as i need good solid information, mainly who do i talk to about "right to light" issues.
I live next to a public path, (it runs along the entire 100 meters of my garden). next to this path is a public house, and i have ivy ridden, desiesed, 80 t0 100 foot high trees, over hanging and blocking 70% off my day light. There are about 10 trees in all and are seriously over hanging my garden. (no one looks after them) i am sure though that the council have chopped them back a little so walkers can use the foot path. (and i mean a little). i need to know if i am entitle to complain about the lack of light i get in my garden. who to (i'm a council tennant) and how. i get on average in summer, 5 hours of any light in my garden. my grass is suffering, and i cannot grow anything as it doesn't grow, due to lack of light. the trees are hanging over my house as well. what can i do, please can anyone help, with info please? (i cannot afford a tree surgeon).

The Ranger responds: if you're a tenant of any sort really you must get your landlord to deal with the issue. As for the 'right to light', see this.
PermalinkPermalink 09/06/08 @ 17:11

 

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